No to cab psu- the org had a transformer, bridge rectifiers, and linear regs
Both are standalone ... Gen the 5,12,-12 from the regs
In my redesign; I take 15vdc in and use regs to Gen the volt rails
At worst; you'll have to order bare pcbs and the parts on your own and assemble
Given I don't own copywrite ; I can't risk selling kits or complete units
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:51:57 -0600
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Wico XY Pattern Generator - Schematic capture complete
From: talon.k@gmail.com
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
OK so I've been reading this thread for the past week or so that it's been going on. From what I gather to use this pattern gen, you will need basically a y-adapter cable. So that you can use the current cabinet power supply, and then plug in the patter gen correct?
Just trying to figure out an easier way to make it more of a stand alone type system. You need what a 6.3vac, and I think a 30vac supply for all this work?
So are these going to be produced as completed, or kits, or DYI.
Kevin
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Zitt Zitterkopf <zittware@hotmail.com> wrote:
Schematic capture is complete.
Please peer review the schematics and point out any issues.
http://Pinball-Mods.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/XYPattern.pdf
Went with linear regulators powered by 15VDC in from a power brick.
-12VDC is generated from a buck converter. Optional +12VDC is driving from
same buck converter. +12VDC buck is experimental; so included
+12VDC linear regulator as a backup.
5VDC max amps is 850mA; although I calculate 338mA for circuitry. 400mA
budgeted for –12VDC regulator loading 5V linear reg.
+12VDC and –12VDC max is calculated at 38mA. Provided headroom for +12VDC
to 100mA.
Same pinouts as original; although slightly different connector. Added
jumpers to “replace” wires to short control to outputs.
RGB LED pushbuttons drive color outputs.
SP8T switch for selecting pattern. 8pole cheaper on digikey than 6pole.
Allows for future use if patterns expanded.
PCB Layout likely begins Sunday night.
John
From: David Fish
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 5:16 AM
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: RE: VECTOR: Wico XY Pattern Generator - Decoding
Switches
>>
HIS shows the crystal as 3.795 MHz, I wonder if he meant 3.579 (a very common TV
colorburst crystal).
OK, That helped me remember why this seemed a little rushed
and incomplete. Notice several things on the schematic are hand written (XTAL
frequency and my name). This is because I lost the source schematic in a disk
crash and I stupidly hadn’t backed it up. The schematic I had was the last
printout I had and I thought it was done. Oh well.
I looked at the 7490 pinouts after Rodger’s post and sure
enough, they’re wrong. Looking on the web for data sheets showed that they are
not all alike between manufacturers. This will require some more
checking.
Dave
From:
owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org [mailto:owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org] On
Behalf Of Rodger Boots
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:17
AM
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Wico
XY Pattern Generator - Decoding Switches
I was taking a look at your
schematic (which I'll call "YOURS") versus the one on ionpool.net (which I'll call "HIS") and have a few
observations:
HIS shows the crystal as 3.795 MHz, I wonder if he meant
3.579 (a very common TV colorburst crystal). Wouldn't make much of a
difference, except for availability.
YOURS has the R40 jumper connecting
pins 2 & 3 of U2. That would keep U2 from working. His shows pin
3 connected to pin 11 which makes U2 a divide by 9 counter.
U3 then
further divides the clock by 16. So if you changed the crystal to 24.858
KHz you could delete both U2 and U3. (3.579545 MHz divided by 9 divided by
16). Not a prayer of finding a 24.858 KHz crystal (would actually be a
ceramic resonator at that frequency) though. BUT could be a 555 timer
tuned to that frequency (CMOS version would be better).
HIS doesn't have
the reset pins of the 7493s grounded, would keep them from counting.
Both
schematics have the pinouts/connections to the 74??93s messed up.
Qa
is pin 12
Qb is pin 8
Qc is pin 9
Qd is pin 11
It is pin 11, then,
that provides the clock for the next stage.
U4 and U5 could be combined
into one 74??393.
I'll go back to hiding in the corner
now.
On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Zitt Zitterkopf <zittware@hotmail.com>
wrote:
All,
If you’re interested
in the re-capture of Dave’s Wico Schematics; I’ve temporarily posted them
there:
http://Pinball-Mods.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/XYPattern.pdf
Still to-do:
1) Determine 7493
wiring vs Dave’s schematics.
2) Front Panel board
integration – pending Switch Decode.
3) Simulate Opamps for
circuit understanding.
4) Power Supply:
pending power measurements – if someone will volunteer to get
them.
5) PCB
Layout.
6) BOM Generation.
Changes w/regards to
Dave’s schematics:
A) Decoupling caps for
each IC.
B) 0ohm “202 solder
shorts” for unconnected pins of TTL gates at U2, U3, U5, and the “top” of R30
(R3). So they can be reversed if necessary.
C) Passives are likely
to have different RefDez.
D) IC Power Supply
pins are shown at decoupling grid.
E) “Bussed” Address
pins.
F) Unused Gates are
“strapped” to a known state.
G) 74xx TTL logic is
becoming obsolete. Plan to use 74HC logic or 74LS logic – haven’t
decided.
My plan is to have the
board manufactured by batchpcb.com as a dual sided board.
Surface Mount ( yes; I
can hear the screams of horror ) as I want to minimize PCB size – thereby cost.
I’d appreciate any
“peer reviews” of the schematic page.
As far as open source
for the schematics / pcb; I’m concerned w/regards to the original owners of the
design. IE can’t really open source a product I don’t own, can I?
Besides,
Dave hasn’t really given his blessing to the project given the source of the
schematics are via his work.
John
From: Zitt
Zitterkopf
Sent:
Monday, November 07, 2011 9:48 PM
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: Re:
VECTOR: Wico XY Pattern Generator - Decoding
Switches
David,
Many thanks. I’ll put
a shorting block to the R3 topside so it can be disconnected – I’m pretty sure
it should be there; even tho TTL generally defaults to “high” if
unconnected.
I found the problem I
discovered – It wasn’t with the 7490; but all the 7493s. For some reason your
pinouts via PADS appear wrong.
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn7493a.pdf
Fortunately; the QA is
right ... but QB/C/D are incorrect . On the 93; they are not wired as in the
92... 90 and 93 do share the same pinouts tho.
So; are the pin NAMEs
right; or are the pin numbers? looks like the same “mistake” is present on
U3/U4/U5.
I’ll go ahead and wire
up the opamps – thanks for the info.
John
From: David
Fish
Sent:
Monday, November 07, 2011 8:43 PM
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: RE:
VECTOR: Wico XY Pattern Generator - Decoding
Switches
John,
>>@A-7 on page
1; R3 topside is listed as a NC.
Weird but that’s
the way it is on my board. Maybe they forgot to add a +5V jumper.
>> I think you had Q2 and Q3 pins
swapped
The pinout for the
7490 is correct QA=12, QB=9, QC=8 and QD=11. The PADS library part used Q0-Q3
instead of QA-QD.
>> The Power supplies weren't pictured for
U14, 15, and 16.
Good catch.
They’re powered by +/-12V, but that’s not shown on the schematic.
I think the
connector issue stems from the fact that they have the two identical connectors
numbered opposite of each other. The main board 8-pin connector is 1 thru 8
L->R while the switch board is 1->8 R-L. I wonder if I plugged my cable
back in wrong? There’s no labels and the keys are symmetric (stupid). Will look
into this more tomorrow.
Dave
From: owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org [mailto:owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org] On Behalf Of Zitt
Zitterkopf
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:37 PM
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: RE: VECTOR: Wico
XY Pattern Generator - Decoding Switches
Dave - You rock!
Thanks to everyone else too.
I've schematic captured based upon your
schematics; Dave - many thanks. The only peices I haven't captured are the PSU,
the 2nd page, and diode switch matrix.
Some questions came up
while "re-engineering" the schematics.
@A-7 on page 1; R3 topside
is listed as a NC... I'm guessing this is incorrect as why would anyone put a
resistor without a second conection?
My Guess is that R3 ties to +5V like the
other two (R4, R5).
IIRC; something was "off" when I wired U2 @
D-6. I think you had Q2 and Q3 pins swapped. I'll look for sure when I get
home.
The Power supplies weren't pictured for U14, 15, and 16.
These Opamps are tied to the +12 and -12 rails?
I plan on simulating the
opamps to try to gain insight as to what they are doing.
Seems odd
that the DAC08s are driven from a non-linear voltage rail. IE V+ is 5V and V- is
-12V. I'd have thunk they rails would be symetrical. IE +/-12V. Maybe the
opamps linearize it?
Can anyone get me some rail power
measurements?
I'm going to try and do away with the transformer and linear
regulators in favor of a more complex (yeah; I know K.I.S.S) PWM psu which puts
our all three rails.
If I knew what the average current was for each rail; a
small PWM might be nice and cheap.
I *so* wish this was an
opensource hardware project ... I'd so like to release my PCB and schematics
(assuming it works) to the
public.
<sigh>
John
From: dfish_1@comcast.net
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: RE: VECTOR: Wico XY
Pattern Generator - Decoding Switches
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:05:13
-0500
John,
I already have
mine apart on my desk. I’m looking at it now. I’m taking lots of
pictures.
Dave
From: owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org [mailto:owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org] On Behalf Of John
Robertson
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:49 PM
To: vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Wico
XY Pattern Generator - Decoding Switches
David Fish wrote:
John,
Before you mirror
the schematics let me take a look at them in depth. It was a looooooong time ago
when I drew them.
Unfortunately, I
no longer have the schematic source file or access to PADS schematic cap even if
I did. I looked at them online and yes, something looks screwy about the switch
board to main board connector pinout. I’m thinking there’s a reversed connector
involved here. I’ll let everyone know what I find.
Dave
I have a working WICO XY Pattern Generator
if you need any pictures (either of you) just let me know and I'll crack it
open...
John :-#)#
From: owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org [mailto:owner-vectorlist@vectorlist.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Shostak
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:44 PM
To:
vectorlist@vectorlist.org
Subject: Re: VECTOR: Wico
XY Pattern Generator - Decoding Switches
You can mirror the
schematics from ionpool
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011
at 12:43 PM, John Robertson <pinball@telus.net> wrote:
Zitt Zitterkopf
wrote:
I’m looking at the
schematics for the Wico XY Pattern Generator; and can seem to figure out how the
Front panel PCB connects to the Main Board.
At A-8 on the main
schematics page; it shows P3-1-8 as connected to the D Flip Flops and the A10 of
the U7/U8 pattern generating roms.
However, P3 doesn’t
seem to connect correctly to the “cable” connected to the front panel board at
B-8 on the second page.
It appears that the
diode matrix appears to drive set/clear to Dflip flop U6-A which controls A9 on
the ROMs.
But I’m unsure of
the encoding given I can figure out how “P3” connects to the Front panel
board.
Anyone have an
idea?
John
Do you have a copy of the schematics so I
can put them up on TTL? The manual (such as it is) is there along with images of
the Eproms.
ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/WICO
Thanks,
John
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