Re: Weird distorted shapes

I'd say the problem is down to the 'new' circuit board design. Try a good known working amp deflection board on it for a comparison. It's possible that the blue txt is being drawn slower than the green txt.   My feelling is that there is some inductance / capacitance there and/or the amplifiers are slow. Cheers, Col ________________________________ From: Joel Griffin Dodd <griffindodd_at_gmail.com> To: vectorlist_at_vectorlist.org Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2014, 17:02 Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird distorted shapes Andre look 2 emails back there are links to the BIP screen images. Hi Colin, We are using a WG61000 Yoke on a Zenith 25" A63AAX02X tube. There are others who have used this same combination on these board designs and have perfect lettering in say the blue channel, but then squiggly text in the green channel. Look at this screen shot of another builders results... https://www.dropbox.com/s/owa3vq5l6f0lgv2/100_3343_zps3521fb63.jpg Notice the blue is perfectly formed, but the green is all messed up On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Andre Huijts <a.huijts_at_upcmail.nl> wrote: Did you correctly set-up the BIP screen ? > >Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > >Op 4 mrt. 2014 om 05:17 heeft Jimmy Ipock <jipock_at_gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: > > >That might be caused by the z input. The z input controls brightness! On the o-scope, you see all retrace and it makes it look really strange! Good luck! >> >> >> >> >>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:15 PM, Joel Griffin Dodd <griffindodd_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> >>Jimmy, >>>I tried the boards on a 6100 from my Space Duel, there was very minor distortions but nowhere near as bad as this. All my text looks like it's in an Asian font lol >>>On Mar 3, 2014 8:10 PM, "Joel Griffin Dodd" <griffindodd_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>I rearranged all of my boards and wiring harness to make sure nothing was to close together but no change. The only other obvious power issue I can see is that I only have 2 prong power outlets in my shed,  so I'm not getting a proper ground. Also I have fluorescent strips in the shed running off the same circuit, do you think they would cause an issue? >>>>On Mar 3, 2014 8:04 PM, "Joel Griffin Dodd" <griffindodd_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>I have a dual channel scope but I'm very green with it. Should I just be looking at the XY output the way I would get a picture on the scope or use it in a different way. >>>>>On Mar 3, 2014 6:52 PM, "Jimmy Ipock" <jipock_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>A dual channel oscilloscope might be useful here. It would show noise in the x and y signals. >>>>>>On Mar 3, 2014 8:31 PM, "Joel Griffin Dodd" <griffindodd_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>We've already tried the non inductive resistors but the problem remains. Anything else? Someone mentioned AC leakage into the XY amplifiers although the distorted shapes are stable, they don't flicker. >>>>>>>On Mar 3, 2014 4:24 PM, "Andre Huijts" <a.huijts_at_upcmail.nl> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yes, and I got that answer from Jed Margolin, he should know :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Op 4 mrt. 2014 om 00:29 heeft Joel Griffin Dodd <griffindodd_at_gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Also, not sure if it is related or not, but when the screen is 'full' with objects, like the high score table I get a noticeable 'flicker' to the whole screen, like it is struggling to update, the flickering is about 10 cycles per second (by eye) is this normal for Star Wars? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Mendel Pearl <mypearl_at_dds.nl> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Some AC on your DC rails should not matter for the output amp anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On 4-3-2014 00:25, Joel Griffin Dodd wrote:way >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>OK I can try moving things around a little tonight and see what effect that has. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:21 PM, teeray <teeray_at_earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>use ascope to check the amp power supplies for AC ripple >>>>>>>>>>>>and make sure all of the high voltage wires are as far away from the board >>>>>>>>>>>>as possible. Also make sure the X and Y input wires are away from any high voltage. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Griffin Dodd >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Mar 3, 2014 6:13 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>To: vectorlist_at_vectorlist.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: VECTOR: Weird distorted shapes >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>How would I check for that Tim? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 3:11 PM, teeray <teeray_at_earthlink.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Looks like you have some AC voltage getting into the X and Y amps. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tim >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Joel Griffin Dodd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Mar 3, 2014 2:19 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: vectorlist_at_vectorlist.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: VECTOR: Weird distorted shapes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Doug and I have been working on building a reproduction 25" Amplifone using a new deflection board design from an Australian designer (Dez). Overall it's working extremely well, but we are seeing some odd distortion in shapes. It's most apparent in circles, but can been seen in most shapes on the screen where letters look a little warped and joins between vectors overlap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know even 6100 deflection boards do have a little of this, but it seems to be more apparent on our board. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Here's an extreme example of the death star on the star wars start game menu... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.dropbox.com/s/i1r76l4dif9vv2w/2014-03-02%2020.10.19.jpg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Doug mentioned that he thought it may be down to the tolerances of some of the new components we are using on the deflection board. I wanted to throw it out to the group to see if anyone has any ideas of where we might look in the circuit to investigate this odd issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Joel --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Unsubscribe, subscribe, or view the archives at http://www.vectorlist.org ** Please direct other questions, comments, or problems to chris_at_westnet.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** Unsubscribe, subscribe, or view the archives at http://www.vectorlist.org ** Please direct other questions, comments, or problems to chris_at_westnet.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>
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